CAT4 purchasing

Discussion in 'Professional Fireworks' started by toxic_pyro, Jul 9, 2019.

  1. toxic_pyro

    toxic_pyro Pro Firer/Crew

    Good evening gents, just been having a discussion with a guy who is a freelance firer, he used to do a few shows including one local show, well he has stopped organising his own shows as the financial cost was too much (storage, and insurance). Anyway he was wondering if that providing he has proof of specialist knowledge and valid insurance can pyro be purchased and delivered on site so he doesn’t have to fork out for the storage as he was only doing a few shows a year? Or is the storage needed?
     
  2. What would you do if the event got cancelled or product didn’t fire?
     
  3. toxic_pyro

    toxic_pyro Pro Firer/Crew

    I presume that he would return the goods I honestly don’t know.
     
  4. Jon

    Jon Pro Firer/Crew

    I think you would struggle to find an importer or seller that would allow purchase with no fixed abode seeing as you will need to have a registered store before being able to be insured.

    If you could find another company willing to sell you cat4 for the day of the show then it is possible, but as Mark has said you would need to return any unfired/part fired product back to store that evening. The rules would be the same for the pro company.....so why not just work for a pro company in the first place and then there wouldn't be an issue.

    Of course we are assuming you are buying cat4. If you bought cat3/2 standard consumer regs would apply so there would be no need to return to a registered store if you were under the private allowance threshold. However, your house insurance may not look kindly on you storing fireworks for professional use.
     
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  5. Arthur

    Arthur Pro Firer/Crew

    Cat 4 must be fired or returned to a licensed store, no other option. So while Cat 4 insurance is available for single shows there must be consideration for the possibility of partly fired or unfired items going back to a store.
    If someone fires for an established company that company should be the first point of contact, maybe they will offer insurance and return to store facilities. If there are no contacts with store, stock and insurance then carefully selected Cat 3 will easily produce a great show but usually at higher cost and definitely no shells.
     
  6. toxic_pyro

    toxic_pyro Pro Firer/Crew

    Jon I personally fire for company, the gent who I was referring to is a free lance he used to fire a couple shows a year. All shows I have fired have been for the company so any missed fired product has been returned. I have never had a need to purchase cat4 for my own shows
     
  7. Jon

    Jon Pro Firer/Crew

    Sorry I was referring to your friend, misread your first post.
     
  8. Dodgey

    Dodgey Pro Firer/Crew

    Sounds like he either needs to pay up for storage and insurance, like the rest of us making their living from the business, or pass the job onto a proper company. It's exactly this kind of thing we are often up against. You are either in, or out, in my book.

    Might sound harsh, but its true.

    Maybe I'm a bit touchy as insurance has gone up a lot again!
     
  9. Jon

    Jon Pro Firer/Crew

    Yeah and annoyingly a lot of insurance price hikes are for consumer accidents as pro very rarely have accidents......dont see why we should pay extra!!
     
  10. toxic_pyro

    toxic_pyro Pro Firer/Crew

    I was going to suggest that he approached a company with his budget and crewed the show with that company I’m sure that’s a better idea? Than having to fork the storage, rent for land etc and any unfired pyro will be returned to the company’s store
     
  11. Jon

    Jon Pro Firer/Crew

    If you have worked for a company for a while and you are willing to fire the show, they may be open to 'at cost' for that display. Seeing as the crew is not being paid etc. However, that would be down to the company. You might also be able to use the companies insurance and save on your own. Again this is all something the company would have to agree to.
     
  12. toxic_pyro

    toxic_pyro Pro Firer/Crew

    Jon sorry for the confusion, I was going to suggest he actually booked that company to do the show but he also ask to be a crew member on the show. For example he would approach your company book a show with his budget and also tell you he wants to crew the show as well. Would that work for him?
     
  13. Dodgey

    Dodgey Pro Firer/Crew

    Absolutely. If it's in the South of the UK send him my way :)
     
  14. Dodgey

    Dodgey Pro Firer/Crew

    Really?! That's a bit crap.

    What I find very odd is the insurance goes up for everyone after a big claim. You'd think it would go up for the claimant alone. It's not a massive market, but there are a LOT of pyro companies out there all paying insurance.
     
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  15. toxic_pyro

    toxic_pyro Pro Firer/Crew

    Are you referring to my post about booking a company mate
     
  16. Dodgey

    Dodgey Pro Firer/Crew

  17. Where is this information from ???
     
  18. Ozzieuk

    Ozzieuk Pro Firer/Crew

    If he knows what’s involved in storage insurance and all the rest of it he would realise that’s why he is in the position he is in.
    HE GAVE IT UP.
    If any of my crew want to do any displays that involve cat 4 they approach our director and put the show through the company.
    This way we are covered by insurance as all the RAMS have been done after a site visit by us or our Show manager.
    Ok we don’t make a big profit but then we haven’t paid out all of the overheads.
    Only last night I have passed on a request for the 8th of Nov for a close friend.
    If it is agreed I will probably crew it if I’m not needed elsewhere but I wouldn’t expect to earn a big commission out of it if someone else is going to do all the above plus pick the product etc etc.
    But if it was a very big budget show we would get commission.
    Even though we get paid well to crew and he does look after us during the rest of the year plus we get together for crew nights and training at no cost to us. ;)
     
  19. UKChrisT

    UKChrisT Pro Firer/Crew Supports UKFR

    I crew for a local display company, I can put on my own shows if I found some, i.e the company would let me use their FireOne system, modules etc, fireworks supplied at cost and I can charge as I wish. Fireworks fused on site, stored in the container until the day of the display.