Environmental Impact of Fireworks

Discussion in 'Fireworks Forum Chat And Discussion' started by pablo, Oct 16, 2020.

  1. After reading a bit into this it seems that maybe the industry needs to do a lot more to improve the environmental impact that fireworks have.

    The most obvious one is reduction in plastic use. I would like to also see more eco friendly compositions and more UK automated manufacture. I really think this would help with the Industries image.

    What do people think about this?
     
  2. WR3_Pyro

    WR3_Pyro Supports UKFR

    I agree there is a lot of work that could be done but when you look at plastic the across the board in a daily lives, and how often we light a rocket with a plastic nosecone it generally makes up a minuscule part of our yearly ‘plastic footprint’ - I mean look at milk, how many milk cartons do we dispose of, we should be refilling glass like ‘the good old days’ as my dad would say!
     
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  3. Tinderbox

    Tinderbox Pro Firer/Crew

    More automated UK manufacture? Please clarify.
     
  4. chris 1953

    chris 1953 Supports UKFR

    What plastic ,85% cardboard 10% clay 3% paper 2% (shrink wrap/foil/ ok call last bit plastic) go and buy a piece of pre wrapped meat or something and its got more on that than most LARGE firework cakes!!!!!!! And you buy more goods wrapped in it, not to start on milk, pop bottles etc,
     
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  5. Rob perry

    Rob perry Supports UKFR

    There is a balance of safety and performance too. A large rocket cardboard based for example would it stay together properly? Would the head wobble and would a bit of damp on the night cause firing problems? The plastic and metal versions are safer and stronger.
     
  6. RocketRev

    RocketRev Moderator Supports UKFR

    Ball head rockets would get my vote over those large air-headed-plastic-bling-on-a-stick types. Nice and safe, and more environmentally friendly. They might even manage with a smaller motor since they don't have so much wasted weight casing payload to lift.
     
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  7. This is true, supermarkets are still bad for this, milk and plastic bottles are recyclable though. There are now zero waste shops popping up. I haven't seen any attempt to reduce plastic waste or any innovation from the fireworks industry. The cardboard from fireworks can't be recycled to my knowledge as it is contaminated. It probably could be if it was treated. I have never seen that the origin of the card is from a sustainable source.

    Large rockets are all plastic and pen lid cakes often have a shrink wrap plastic and the litter the ground with plastic. All I am saying is that I would like the option of buying fireworks that are more environmentally friendly like nitrogen based compositions and biodegradable substitutes for plastic.

    I would like to push for more transparancy in the industry and like to see more information so I can make a more informed choice when buying. I would rather pay more if I know the cardboard is from a sustainable source or a rocket motor is made of a biodegradable substance.

    I think this could be a very positive move, given all the fireworks bashing from FAB.
     
  8. hofnerite

    hofnerite UKFR Stash Photo 2018 Winner! Supports UKFR

    Plastic - yes, we need less plastic in fireworks.
    Chemicals - in the quantities used, the harmful effect is negligible.
     
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  9. Given the advancements in the industry with automation and our reliance on China to supply I would like to see a UK manufacturer. I know the cost is a lot lower from china and that is the driving force. Maybe a pipe dream.
     
  10. Pyro Pete

    Pyro Pete Forum Editor

    The industry have said they are actively engaged in plastic reduction (direct link to the post tucked away in another thread):

    New anti-fireworks petition next week

    Which is great news.
     
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  11. It seems to be true that any harmful levels then fall again, from what I have read though the nitrogen based compounds give off a lot less smoke and require a lot less metals to produce the same effect.
     
  12. TGR

    TGR

    Are doggy pooh-bags plastic? Askin' for a friend. ;)
     
  13. hofnerite

    hofnerite UKFR Stash Photo 2018 Winner! Supports UKFR

    Well a dog has the same environmental footprint as a small car but as we know dogs are exempt from all logical arguments.
     
  14. Tinderbox

    Tinderbox Pro Firer/Crew

    I'd like to read these publications. Could you give me some links?

    Nitrocellulose does have an increasing application but is limited in it's spectrum of use.

    Ammonium Perchlorate is becoming a more widely used oxidizer which emits less vissible emissions as suspended solids (smoke). However, it is incompatible with a some of the chemicals used in regular effects. Particularly nitrates. It also gives off ammonia gas when combusted. Invisible but more harmful than nitrate byproducts.
     
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  15. Yeah, that is good news it will be nice to see this in final products in the next few years. Out of all industries I would of thought this will be an easy reduction. I just don't want to see a reduction but innovation as I fear the cheapest way to reduce is to just not produce those items where I would rather still have them.
     
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  16. Pyro Pete

    Pyro Pete Forum Editor

    I don't know if the consumer would pay more for ecologically and ethically made products - British made, using 100% recycled materials for the tubes and carcass, limited miles to the retailer and so on. But what would the difference in cost be? If it was viable to manufacture in the UK it wouldn't have all gone to China.
     
  17. https://www.researchgate.net/public...inants_for_Military_and_Civilian_Applications

    https://www.peakgas.com/Articles-an... this way,better colour quality and intensity.
     
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  18. Dayle Ward

    Dayle Ward Supports UKFR

    Some yes some are biodegradable "plastic"
    Why the doggy hate?
     
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  19. This is the good point- "eco" and environmentally friendly products do have a role, and a market, but it tends to carry a premium price. It's basically the entire business plan of "whole foods" and specialist brands of cosmetics. Tropic for example. 100% vegan, 100% natural, and really expensive. ;) Also companies known for their ethical / alternative views are sometimes owned by bigger companies whose overall business is much less environmentally sound. Body Shop being the best example.

    But this is a good topic of discussion as I do think it's helpful to cut back on plastic.
     
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  20. 2020 Kimbolton pack:-

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